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Palestinian Gov't Dissolved! wow this is crappy

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 05:51 PM

View PostMike MHz, on Jun 17 2007, 08:34 PM, said:

Do you say things like that perposefully to anger people during a debate? You speak of other people's apparent assumptions when they haven't expressed any sort of assumption, only tried to express a factual argument on the side of an argument you're against.

I was talking about the assumptions made by the people who compiled those statistics. Are you angry on their behalf?

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In this case, Palistinians have bombed markets and shopping centers indescriminantly with suicide bombers. Yet the fact remains that Israel have been quite brutal and inhumane in return - which is not the way a civilized nation should act.

Israel is a tiny civilized nation of Jews surrounded by large, angry Muslim neighbors who have tried to destroy the country on several occasions. Not only that, but Israel also has to deal with the Palestinians and Hezbollah. Under the circumstances Israel's conduct is excellent, sometimes even too noble for its own good.
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Posted 17 June 2007 - 08:55 PM

View PostSimple, on Jun 17 2007, 08:10 PM, said:

This will take a while but I'll break them down for you later.

Make sure you remember this. I once posted a very-pro Israel comment which you couldn't reply to due to 'needing more time'. It was never responded to.
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Posted 17 June 2007 - 09:47 PM

View PostBreserk, on Jun 17 2007, 03:55 PM, said:

Make sure you remember this. I once posted a very-pro Israel comment which you couldn't reply to due to 'needing more time'. It was never responded to.

Are you sure you're on the same page as he is?

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 10:44 PM

View Postw-ninja, on Jun 17 2007, 05:51 PM, said:

Israel is a tiny civilized nation of Jews surrounded by large, angry Muslim neighbors who have tried to destroy the country on several occasions. Not only that, but Israel also has to deal with the Palestinians and Hezbollah. Under the circumstances Israel's conduct is excellent, sometimes even too noble for its own good.


Agreed.
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Posted 17 June 2007 - 10:58 PM

Question:

what consquences will this invasion have on the future of the middleeast, including the situation in Iraq, Irans' president huge hate towards western civil'tion/Israel and other middleast countries waiting for an oppurtunity to fight Israel?
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Posted 17 June 2007 - 11:22 PM

View Postw-ninja, on Jun 17 2007, 12:51 PM, said:

Israel is a tiny civilized nation of Jews surrounded by large, angry Muslim neighbors who have tried to destroy the country on several occasions. Not only that, but Israel also has to deal with the Palestinians and Hezbollah. Under the circumstances Israel's conduct is excellent, sometimes even too noble for its own good.

You are making it seem as if Israel has always been there. You're forgetting that the land is not thiers to begin with.

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 11:27 PM

View PostHELLFIRE, on Jun 17 2007, 07:22 PM, said:

You are making it seem as if Israel has always been there. You're forgetting that the land is not thiers to begin with.



isnt it the promised land in which God gave to them? or is that located somewhere else?
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Posted 17 June 2007 - 11:30 PM

View PostGuus345, on Jun 17 2007, 05:27 PM, said:

isnt it the promised land in which God gave to them? or is that located somewhere else?


If by God you mean Britain after WWII, then yes.
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Posted 17 June 2007 - 11:42 PM

You idiots need a history lesson.

http://www.terrorism...really-happened

The Jews were given desert waste land and they turned it into fertile farms. Why can't the "palestinians" just stop killing Jews and try to improve their areas, and the first thing they should do to improve their quality of life is bring that sky-high birth rate down. That will mean lower unemployment, better education and better standard of living when every classroom isnt filled with 200 children.

The existance of the country is not at question here. So as usual, Hellfire's racist comment is irrelevant.

Again: Learn some history you idiots, and stop distorting facts. It's obvious that the only few who are defending the terrorist atrocities of the "Palestinian" groups are either Muslims, practicing taquiyya or racists: "War is deceit." - Muhammad (Sahih Bukhari 4.52.268)

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 11:44 PM

View PostHELLFIRE, on Jun 18 2007, 02:22 AM, said:

You are making it seem as if Israel has always been there. You're forgetting that the land is not thiers to begin with.

It is, actually.

edit: haha, beaten to it
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Posted 17 June 2007 - 11:46 PM

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 11:53 PM

Bit more to back my quote up:

{A} problem concerning law and order {with respect to Muslims in dar al-harb} arises from an ancient Islamic legal principle -- that of taqiyya, a word the root meaning of which is "to remain faithful" but which in effect means "dissimulation." It has full Quranic authority (3:28 and 16:106) and allows the Muslim to conform outwardly to the requirements of unislamic or non-Islamic government, while inwardly "remaining faithful" to whatever he conceives to be proper Islam, while waiting for the tide to turn. (Hiskett, Some to Mecca Turn to Pray, 101.)
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 269; Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "War is deceit."

"Taqiyya" is the religiously-sanctioned doctrine, with its origins in Shi'a Islam but now practiced by non-Shi'a as well, of deliberate dissimulation about religious matters that may be undertaken to protect Islam, and the Believers. A related term, of broader application, is "kitman," which is defined as "mental reservation." An example of "Taqiyya" would be the insistence of a Muslim apologist that "of course" there is freedom of conscience in Islam, and then quoting that Qur'anic verse -- "There shall be no compulsion in religion." {2:256} But the impression given will be false, for there has been no mention of the Muslim doctrine of abrogation, or naskh, whereby such an early verse as that about "no compulsion in religion" has been cancelled out by later, far more intolerant and malevolent verses. In any case, history shows that within Islam there is, and always has been, "compulsion in religion" for Muslims, and for non-Muslims.
"Kitman" is close to "taqiyya," but rather than outright dissimulation, it consists in telling only a part of the truth, with "mental reservation" justifying the omission of the rest. One example may suffice. When a Muslim maintains that "jihad" really means "a spiritual struggle," and fails to add that this definition is a recent one in Islam (little more than a century old), he misleads by holding back, and is practicing "kitman." When he adduces, in support of this doubtful proposition, the hadith in which Muhammad, returning home from one of his many battles, is reported to have said (as known from a chain of transmitters, or isnad), that he had returned from "the Lesser Jihad to the Greater Jihad" and does not add what he also knows to be true, that this is a "weak" hadith, regarded by the most-respected muhaddithin as of doubtful authenticity, he is further practicing "kitman."

...this is in Qur'an 3:28 and 16:106. Don't believe me -- take it from Ibn Kathir, who is a mainstream Qur'an commentator. In his commentary on 3:28, Ibn Kathir says that it means that when Muslims "in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers," they may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda said, 'We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.' Al-Bukhari said that Al-Hasan said, 'The Tuqyah [taqiyyah] is allowed until the Day of Resurrection.'"


All this and more, everything you ever wanted to know: http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam101/

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 12:45 AM

View PostHELLFIRE, on Jun 17 2007, 05:22 PM, said:

You are making it seem as if Israel has always been there. You're forgetting that the land is not thiers to begin with.

Considering that they bought most of the lad from it's rightful owners, it's an irrelevant point. The rest of it was gained in '67 when the surrounding arab countries attempted to commit their own rendition of genocide.
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Posted 18 June 2007 - 12:57 AM

There were people living in that area before Israel was a state. Palestine was sold off by the British Empire to the jew but the land was occupied already. It's like if your landlord invited people into your place and asked you to live together.

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 01:00 AM

View PostHELLFIRE, on Jun 18 2007, 12:57 AM, said:

There were people living in that area before Israel was a state. Palestine was sold off by the British Empire to the jew but the land was occupied already. It's like if your landlord invited people into your place and asked you to live together.


There were also people living in North America before the British arrived.

Would it be okay for Native Americans to perform terrorist acts against the U.S. to 'reclaim' their lands?
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