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Or thats the assumption you make, just because science cant prove it.
Ever seen a ghost?
#76 Posted 18 June 2007 - 12:56 PM
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#77 Posted 18 June 2007 - 01:02 PM
I believe a vast majority of ghost sightings and feelings are just a result of the subject's brain making them believe things.
The brain is very, very powerful. It controls your perceptions of everything, and the slightest "hitch in the system", even if just for a second, can cause you to see, hear, or even believe things you normally would not.
The brain is very, very powerful. It controls your perceptions of everything, and the slightest "hitch in the system", even if just for a second, can cause you to see, hear, or even believe things you normally would not.
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#78 Posted 18 June 2007 - 01:21 PM
^
I find that argument totally valid and I have no problem respecting it, it's just that I've had things happen to me where I've been wide awake, in a room full of people, where others have also felt it too.
Such as in my grandparents old house: I was walking around their small kitchen when I felt something tug on the lower part of my shirt in the back. I turned around expecting one of my many small cousins to be playing a joke, but there were only adults in the room and the reaction time of my turning around could not have had given time to have them run away at all either. There was no one around for at least 4 feet either. I merely thought it was a cousin of mine though, letting rationale make my decision, who wouldn't?
A few months later, at a different family gathering I hear my Dad talking with some of my Uncles about how it used to happen to him all the time and has even happened to his mother (my grandmother, obviously). I immediately asked him if he was liing and he said no, so I went to my Grandmother who was in another room and had not heard the conversation and quickly questioned her if she had any experiences. She told me yes.
Sort of threw me for a loop. Apparently, my Father has also seen a small child in the house before when he was growing up, but again that could have been his mind playing tricks on him although he doesn't think it. I can't say though since I've never the ghost, just felt something tug on me. It happened again later too. It always happens to a person in the same spot. In front of the oven. That's where I, my father and my grandmother all experienced it.
I find that argument totally valid and I have no problem respecting it, it's just that I've had things happen to me where I've been wide awake, in a room full of people, where others have also felt it too.
Such as in my grandparents old house: I was walking around their small kitchen when I felt something tug on the lower part of my shirt in the back. I turned around expecting one of my many small cousins to be playing a joke, but there were only adults in the room and the reaction time of my turning around could not have had given time to have them run away at all either. There was no one around for at least 4 feet either. I merely thought it was a cousin of mine though, letting rationale make my decision, who wouldn't?
A few months later, at a different family gathering I hear my Dad talking with some of my Uncles about how it used to happen to him all the time and has even happened to his mother (my grandmother, obviously). I immediately asked him if he was liing and he said no, so I went to my Grandmother who was in another room and had not heard the conversation and quickly questioned her if she had any experiences. She told me yes.
Sort of threw me for a loop. Apparently, my Father has also seen a small child in the house before when he was growing up, but again that could have been his mind playing tricks on him although he doesn't think it. I can't say though since I've never the ghost, just felt something tug on me. It happened again later too. It always happens to a person in the same spot. In front of the oven. That's where I, my father and my grandmother all experienced it.
#80 Posted 18 June 2007 - 02:03 PM
Bad Larry, on Jun 18 2007, 11:21 PM, said:
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I find that argument totally valid and I have no problem respecting it, it's just that I've had things happen to me where I've been wide awake, in a room full of people, where others have also felt it too.
I find that argument totally valid and I have no problem respecting it, it's just that I've had things happen to me where I've been wide awake, in a room full of people, where others have also felt it too.
What you described was a story with more substance and interest. I was mostly speaking about the generic frantic ghost claims which usually have little to them other than "I felt weird" and "Something moved out of the corner of my eye".
People like that frustrate me as they spiral out of control with their beliefs. They don’t stop to actually think about why they might have seen what they saw. Simply being in a dark room, and in the right frame of mind, can cause you to see things move out of the corner of your eye.
PS: I’m a ghost.
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#81 Posted 18 June 2007 - 02:12 PM
Yeah Im a ghost too.
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#82 Posted 18 June 2007 - 02:52 PM
mipac, on Jun 19 2007, 12:12 AM, said:
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#83 Posted 18 June 2007 - 04:51 PM
chicken nuggets, on Jun 17 2007, 11:42 PM, said:
lol funny, i just finished watching the 6th sense on TV and now this... So i have never actually seen a ghost but recently i was passed out when i heard really deep voices talking in a creepy weird language, so i open my eyes and i can see the numbers on my alarm clock but its like they are really far away, then i feel a giant weight on my body, like intense pressure, then my vision zooms into the alarm clock the pressure is released and the voices subsided...It was FREAKEN Wierd... i just layed there wondering wtf just happened to me...its pretty much the wierdest thing thats ever happened to me...
I had a similar occurrence when I was about 10 years old when I tried to sleep and all I heard were strange voices and I also felt the heavy weight on my body, like it was crushing me. Also my door handle kept spinning even after I turned my light on, it was really creepy. Also I became really sweaty but this could all have been a weird dream where my eyes were open because a couple of months after that incident I could sleep with one eye open while I was still dreaming.
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#84 Posted 18 June 2007 - 05:17 PM
I think a lot of you (more than I would expect) are describing scenes of Hypnogogia (chicken nuggets, warped, looking at you). You should check out that wikipedia article for more info and tell us what you think.
#85 Posted 18 June 2007 - 06:08 PM
Breserk, on Jun 18 2007, 12:46 PM, said:
GHOST PEOPLE ARE A KNOWN PHENOMENA OF LUCID DREAMING AND/OR HYPNAGOGIA.
They are not "real".
They are not "real".
This video completely shatters your beliefs.
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#86 Posted 18 June 2007 - 06:20 PM
Transmaniacon MC, on Jun 18 2007, 01:17 PM, said:
I think a lot of you (more than I would expect) are describing scenes of Hypnogogia (chicken nuggets, warped, looking at you). You should check out that wikipedia article for more info and tell us what you think.
yeah thanks dude, thats exactly what I have experienced. check this out:
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Hypnagogic sensations
Hypnagogic experiences occur as one is falling asleep, while hypnopompic experiences occur as one is waking up--both experiences occur within the penumbra between sleep and waking (or vice versa). Experienced qualities vary, and include a falling sensation, joy, fear, awareness of a "presence", chest or back pressure, and an inability to breathe.
Auditory sensations are often described as incomprehensible noises rather than distinctive sounds.
During the hypnagogic state, an individual may appear to be fully awake, but has brain waves indicating that the individual is technically sleeping. Also, the individual may be completely aware of their state, which enables lucid dreamers to enter the dream state consciously directly from the waking state (see wake-initiated lucid dream technique).
The hypnagogic state can be accompanied by or associated with anomalous phenomena such as alien abduction, extra-sensory perception, telepathy, apparitions, or prophetic or crisis visions. This conduciveness to anomalous phenomena can be correlated with the initial increase of alpha and the later increase of theta brainwaves.
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* The Serbian comic book artist Aleksander Zograf, catalogs his own hypnagogic visions in his series dubbed Psychonaut, and in self-published editions titled Hypnagogic Review.
* In My Chemical Romance's "The Black Parade" (During the song "Sleep"), singer Gerard Way describes a "night terror" he experienced while recording at the Paramour Mansion (which is rumored to be haunted). He described a feeling of being strangled, and says he couldn't wake up or move:
And it's like, it feels like somebody was gripping my, it feels like as if somebody was gripping my throat. They're worse than tremors, they're these terrors, it feels like somebody was gripping my throat and squeezing... [1]
Hypnagogic experiences occur as one is falling asleep, while hypnopompic experiences occur as one is waking up--both experiences occur within the penumbra between sleep and waking (or vice versa). Experienced qualities vary, and include a falling sensation, joy, fear, awareness of a "presence", chest or back pressure, and an inability to breathe.
Auditory sensations are often described as incomprehensible noises rather than distinctive sounds.
During the hypnagogic state, an individual may appear to be fully awake, but has brain waves indicating that the individual is technically sleeping. Also, the individual may be completely aware of their state, which enables lucid dreamers to enter the dream state consciously directly from the waking state (see wake-initiated lucid dream technique).
The hypnagogic state can be accompanied by or associated with anomalous phenomena such as alien abduction, extra-sensory perception, telepathy, apparitions, or prophetic or crisis visions. This conduciveness to anomalous phenomena can be correlated with the initial increase of alpha and the later increase of theta brainwaves.
[edit]Artistic and cultural references
* The Serbian comic book artist Aleksander Zograf, catalogs his own hypnagogic visions in his series dubbed Psychonaut, and in self-published editions titled Hypnagogic Review.
* In My Chemical Romance's "The Black Parade" (During the song "Sleep"), singer Gerard Way describes a "night terror" he experienced while recording at the Paramour Mansion (which is rumored to be haunted). He described a feeling of being strangled, and says he couldn't wake up or move:
And it's like, it feels like somebody was gripping my, it feels like as if somebody was gripping my throat. They're worse than tremors, they're these terrors, it feels like somebody was gripping my throat and squeezing... [1]
Hypnagogia-----Wikipedia
Nowadays I have good sensations when I sleep, once a year I will have a nightmare, the rest of my dreams...even if I'm lucid dreaming are pleasant or exciting. Rarely I can feel myself move around the room but I know I'm still half asleep in my bed, its a weird feeling but I'm starting to get used to it.
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#89 Posted 18 June 2007 - 07:22 PM
Damn, saw that video and I just want to say that ghosts cannot be ruled as unreal, if one believes it than it is real. And that was really, really creepy btw.
But I've never had a ghostly episode.
But I've never had a ghostly episode.