Half-Life Fallout: Fallout: New Vegas - Half-Life Fallout

Crusty Magic, on 04 February 2010 - 02:40 PM, said:

Gameshitty.

IceOrb, on 04 February 2010 - 12:18 PM, said:

I ran into my share of bugs with it on PC.

I remember one time an NPC model started flying through the air and turned into triangles.

While looking up Gamebryo on Wikipedia I found this in the list of devs/games that use it (emphasis mine):

# Bethesda Softworks (Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas)

What is it that everyone hates so much about Fallout 3/Gamebryo? I absolutely loved Fallout 3, and I've played through it twice now. I must admit that it is the only Fallout game I've really played, though, so that might have something to do with it. It seems like a lot of the hate comes from people who played the first two, since 3 is nothing like them.

I've tried to get into Fallout 1 several times in the past, but I just haven't been able to. There are very few turn-based games that can hold my interest for very long, I am ashamed to admit.

I think it's because the games have had a lot of engine related bugs.

I can't get into Fallout 3. It's pretty boring. I prefer Oblivion. I also prefer the 1950's/1960's as seen in Bioshock.

Is fallout worth trying? My friends all loved it but I never thought it looked great.

Sly_Ry, on 08 February 2010 - 02:49 AM, said:

I was something of the opposite. Oblivion didn't really feel that great of a game to me for some reason. I can tell that it IS a great game, but I just didn't care for it, but I loved the hell out of Fallout 3.

I have yet to buy or play any of the expansions though.

All the hate baffles me.
I can understand Fallout purists who hated FO3 because they can't stand change, but the engine and the entire game for me was really great. Obsidian usually makes good sequels, and I think New Vegas will probably not be a landmark game, but proabbly a good game nonetheless.

Brumisator, on 08 February 2010 - 10:44 PM, said:

Its not about being able to stand change, the fact is Fallout 3 does not play the same way as the old games. Not in a "OH WELL ITS MORE REFINED" manner, but in a "the fundamental gameplay mechanics are not the same" manner.

They're different games. Fallout 3 is similar to Oblivion in its focus on limiting the 'consiquence' aspect of traditional WRPG design in favour of streamlining the gameworld and features for the player. The old Fallouts, WRPGs in general for that matter, have a heavy focus on choice and consiquence.

It doesnt make Oblivion or Fallout 3 bad games, but it makes them strikingly different in design. I dont like Fallout 3 because I dont like how Bethesda handle their RPGs, and as a huge fan of oldschool WRPG design I dont like the changes they make to the formula. They're fine for other people who struggle to get into the old games, but for some others its a step backwards, or at the very least a step in a different direction, one we dont agree with.

Old WRPGs are built around the idea that you have choices as a player and the world will react in some way. You'll suffer the consiquences of your actions, and you will be limited and rewarded accordingly. Oblivion and Fallout 3 are built on the concept that you have choices as a player, but are rarely limited in the game world and there are hardly any, if any, consiquences for your choices.

Its just a design difference. You can play through old WRPGs as different characters and discover tons of new stuff. Oblivion/Fallout 3 are designed so you can pretty much make one character and spend 100+ hours with that and experience everything.

Bones, on 08 February 2010 - 12:16 PM, said:

The original (two) you mean?
I guess the graphics might be a bit of putting for people who roll into it late, but the games were great. T
here's a load of humor and I remember that playing the second game with low intelligence was hilarious. There's lots of ways to deal with situations ingame. I would say try it.

I'm absolutely stoked for this. I'm assuming all of you have seen this: http://www.duckandco...pic.php?t=23694

All of these points sound absolutely great!

Dark_Oppressor, on 08 February 2010 - 02:27 AM, said:

It's a buggy piece of junk that looks terrible. It was dated back when Oblivion released.

That said I dug Fallout 3 a great deal despite my initial dislike of it. After a few hours of messing with it the game grew on me. I just can't stand the way it looks which may or may not have been Bethesdas goal. Regardless I just wish they'd move on to a new engine. Id is owned by them now right? Maybe a RAGE based Elder Scrolls game. That might be interesting.

Here are screens from the PCGAMER UK magazine. The game looks identical to Fallout 3 which isn't really a bad thing considering Fallout 3 was a success. Its using the same engine as Fallout 3 Gamebyro, the engine is still looking really good imo.

It looks decent, but goddamn they better fix the animations.

The feature list made me a very happy man.

Looks like they took a good look at the mods and complaints about Fallout 3.
Only thing that had me worried was a small part about the dialogue and it's been already explained as less worrying.

Hardcore mode seems like the way to go for me (it's nice to see I don't need to mod that in).

Let's hope they can improve on the engine (facial animations and bugs mostly).