Half-Life Fallout: Team Fortress Item Removal - Half-Life Fallout

Must be fantastic to live life and the only worry you currently have is some TF2 hat. Im jealous of that life.

FonaX, on Sep 3 2009, 01:31 PM, said:

Its not just any hat! It's a supah rare magicz hat!

Come on, it's not that bloody bad. I used the idler for a bit in order to get some items, thinking being able to use them would get me back into tf2 (it didn't), but it was plainly obvious to me that I was gaming the system. So what, we get punished by them removing the items and not giving us a halo? Big whoop. At least you didn't get VAC banned.

http://steamcommunit...ersAgainstHalos

facepalm

El Inspector, on Sep 3 2009, 04:54 PM, said:

I read about that earlier. Some people need to get a life.

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El Inspector, on Sep 3 2009, 03:54 PM, said:

Hahaha that's pretty funny though. Pitiful but funny. HAH!

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And this is why I only log onto HLF.

<3 u gais!

HAHA, that is actually pretty funny! I'd say it's their own damn fault. (yours too Sonic Boom.. sorry hihi )

El Inspector, on Sep 3 2009, 11:54 AM, said:

That is the dumbest thing Ive seen. Next to the L4D 2 boycott group.

Now that I've had the day to calm down I realize how terrible my first post sounded. I idled because I wanted a hat, they were cool, I wanted one, that's about it. I'm a little pissed my hat got taken away but I'll deal with it. This whole HealersAgainstHalos stuff is ridiculous. Its not worth screwing the game up for everyone, although I will admit seeing EVERY player with that halo is kind of annoying.

Edit: Ok what? You don't even have to be playing TF2 to get items anymore? http://forums.steamp...ad.php?t=955798 Although the steampowered thread may not be so big (at time of posting this) I've found a few other threads elsewhere where people are confirming this.

Double Edit: I can confirm this myself, just logged in, and had a kritzkrieg that I never previously had. This is a major upgrade to the item distribution system.

Sonic Boom928, on Sep 4 2009, 05:26 AM, said:

Makes sense, but lol at this post:

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I hate people.

All of these reactions, from all sides, are pretty dumb. And this is from a guy who did idle for a WEEK straight while vacationing in sunny seattle (It was more of an experiment though. It was when I first found the idler and I didn't use it anymore after I returned).

But when I say this, I do mean valve's reaction as well. Valve had every right to crack down on the idler. I won't argue against that. It's their game. They also have every right to take away idled items. I won't argue against that. But all because they had the right to doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

Valve saying that the idler is wrong and banned is fine. Just tell me and I'll stop using it. Inform me that if I do use it, I'll get the items taken away, great. I'm cool with that. But I think the problem a lot of people have is the fact they cracked down MONTHS after the idler first came out.

It's not as if 3rd party apps haven't appeared before. There was even the ingame command that unlocked all the medic weapons when they were first released. But valve reacted promptly and strictly to all instances of these. The achievement unlocker, the console command, the scout weapon unlocker. These were all cracked down upon in a matter of days and at most 2 weeks or so.

The idler on the other hand, has been out for months and has been met with no public valve reactions other than wishy washy ones. Enough time passed by so that the player base viewed the idler as okay. Simply put, the people who did idle didn't see themselves as cheaters unlike the the users of past programs, and that's why this crackdown has them feeling frustrated and betrayed.

Do I defend idling? Now I don't because valve has clearly demonstrated that it is a form of cheating. I know I felt a twinge of guilt when I first joined an achievement_idle map when the update first came out. But it's not hard to see why many people were lulled into idling in the first place. The extreme rarity of hats and valve's seemingly complacent reaction to the program convinced many people that valve was okay with it, even though they apparently weren't. If valve had reacted timelier, not only would much fewer items be lost but many players wouldn't feel betrayed like they do now.

I'm not annoyed about losing items. I just lost a single hat. I am annoyed that valve chose to impose punishment indiscriminately rather than establishing the wrongness of the idler and removing items for anyone who continued to idle. I'm also annoyed that this punishment was simply aimed at the idle program, rather than the program and all the servers currently in existence. Lastly, I'm annoyed by all the holier-than-thou players who view those without halos as scum who aren't worth healing, but I can't blame valve for that one. That's just human nature.

lilgamefreek, on Sep 3 2009, 08:09 PM, said:

You deserve a medal.


Edit: This video describes the hat situation perfectly. http://www.youtube.c...h?v=2sC9JXVw064