Half-Life Fallout: Why do Half-Life Falloutians Debate? - Half-Life Fallout

Cake21:

The debate starts off with suicide_mission. Sui, how is the item store not a huge slap in the face to loyal fans who had already been playing TF2 for years?


I will ignore your condescending question and simply accept it as an incapability to be manly in the face of greatness that is Team Fortress 2. That being said, you are wrong.

Let me explain, this has all been planed out by the great one, Robin Walker, second only to Jesus Christ or his non-denominational equivalent, so that TF2 can be all inclusive, that means anybody from the hardcore players, the achievement whores, even the lowly noob has a chance to get right into the action with the weapons/hats that he/she wants (for a price)

And isnt capitalism the basis for all functional democracies?



Cake21:

Unfortunately, but it doesn't (i.e. shouldn't) belong in a multiplayer game. Don't get me wrong, I've been a fan of Team Fortress 2 ever since I started playing it after I bought the Orange box when it first came out late 2007, but finding items ingame (e.g. crates) that can ONLY be unlocked by purchasing something through the store with real world currency turned me off a bit to it. I imagine the Mannco store came to be when Valve realized they could profit off of the "instant-gratification" generation. But doesn't it seem like they're shafting gamers with DLC that's made to not look like DLC?



suicide_mission:

What you call shafting, I call streamlining,

Look, there is no must have item in TF2 that will make you uber or what the kids call 'leet', Valve was smart enough to balance all the weapons so that no one would beat all the others, your gamestyle largely influences the effectiveness of them, so even starting fresh, you are at the same level as someone who has every single item. If you suck, you suck, no amount of weapons will help you there, not even purchased...

Now lets get into the meat & bones of your heresy, specialized novelty items that simply cant be obtained by normal means: Now, I know that you pal around with Stalin, Mao, and Emperor Palpatin, and they have brainwashed you with notions of class warfare, the plight of the proletariat, and the evils of rebel capitalism, but you aren't obligated to purchase anything, nor does it matter if you have the latest trendy hat to play a good game of TF2, it just makes it obvious that you are poor or cheap.

and thats what really gets to you, doesnt it?



Cake21:

I guess having a bit of a completionist in me will do that, with hats being a rare drop (unless bought in the item store) it makes it difficult to get all of the ones I'd like to have. Spending real world money on something that only adds a cosmetic effect to your character when it comes to hats just rubs me the wrong way, I know there are many who don't feel the same. But I do like that Valve adds community created items and gives them a cut of the sales.



suicide_mission:

I think you actually made a valid point for a change, Valve has essentially cock-blocked the over-achievers, the ones who want 100% of the game with a paywall, which will never come and I'm sure would make them feel frustrated with the game. If games continue this path, then we could be faced with smaller inexpensive and incomplete games that we will ultimately pay more for the same just to play with friends that have different parts of it, a feat that would further deter players from having a fully enjoyable experience.

Thank you Cake for this insightful debate and ask our fellow members what they think about Valve's and other company's usage of micro-transactions to obtain further revenues from a game.




On another note, I have 2 copies left of L4D2 to giveaway, anybody who posts anything using the letter 'e' will be hounded by me to receive the free copy for him or a friend, attempting to de-friend me will not make me go away, it will only make me angrier and more persistant, like a stalker getting a cease and desist orders from his vic... err, winner...

Wow just wow.

Here's an 'e' for you Sui.

I like the idea of the store, I just wish the stuff wasn't so expensive.

Those things shouldn't cost more than a dollar at most.

I think Cake was talking about those MannCo Crates that you need to buy a key for.

Overall, though, I agree with Sui. Though there are probably a few overpowered items, the items themselves are mostly about focus on a certain gameplay aspect rather than "overpowerer +4 vs Normal +0". The store started mostly for a cosmetic aspect and none of the stuff is essential for you enjoyment or even success with the game.

True that. I actually think that the stock Scout weapons are the best for example. I have tried the soda popper, force-a-nature and some other stuff but always keep coming back to the stock stuff. The fish is great though

I used to be really against this flood of new items, but now that I have been recently playing TF2, I've found that they are only adding some optional/additional gameplay value to the game. It's all good. Not sure if this World of Warcraft item feeling fits an FPS game that much though, but it's not too bad since TF2 is over the top anyway.

Once I bought a Christmas key to open a Christmas crate, it was the most stupid thing I've ever done....

All my other items are earned by achievements or just found.

Berrie, on 17 August 2011 - 08:45 AM, said:

I was, didn't realize it was so cryptic when I wrote it, I edited it a bit to make it more obvious.

And trooper is no longer a moderator, he's been upgraded to "Troll" status.

Your post was just awe inspiring, I had to post it.

Glad to liven up the site for you guys.

Trooper, on 18 August 2011 - 09:05 PM, said:

I guess my sarcasm detector was broken, apologies.

Cake21, on 18 August 2011 - 05:25 PM, said:

Ha no probs Cake man. Hey if you see me on Steam, hit me up for some TF2 or something huh?